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« on: July 17, 2005, 02:58:37 AM »

So what do you all think will happen in Book 7.....

Please only read and post here if you have finished HBP otherwise there may be major spoilers!!!
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2005, 03:08:19 AM »

I will start.....

I think that Harry will find all the Horcruxes...and will destroy them which of course includes destroying voldemort. Harry, Ron, Herm and Ginny will survive....and they will all live happily ever after (well as happy as they can considering the circumstances)

I think that one of Voldemorts Horcruxes may be Godric Gryffindors sword (just a hunch, but I think that may have been the reason voldemort visited dumbledores office asking for a job)

I think that dumbledore did in fact split his soul in two and his horcrux is in Fawkes the Pheonix (this relates to Harry seeing the pheonix in the white smoke around DDs body) this will in turn result in harry recieving help from fawkes...I dont feel that DD has left harry completely

I think that Ron, Hermione and members of the Order will help harry to find and destroy the horcruxes. But the battle between harry and voldemort will not feature anyone else.

I think that Snape will die. It will either be revealed that he is still good and was acting under DDs instructions to kill him (I hope this is so) and he will die in the process of saving/helping harry. Or he will still be evil and Harry will kill him.

hmmm thats all I can think of for now  Cheesy

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2005, 03:26:49 AM »

Totally feel the same about the Dumbledore using the horcruxes and also about it being fawkes, its ties well with Dumbledore telling Harry about Nagini (using animals) I would love to see that happen anyway, that would make him and gandalf quite alike lol kinda
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2005, 03:37:58 AM »

Actually thinking about it how can this happen. I thought you have to commit murder to be able to use the horcruxes, Dumbledore hasn't has he, maybe he has just...died  Cry
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2005, 04:02:59 AM »

I wonder if the order of the phoenix can still use harry's house now that the secret keeper is dead and that snape knows about the place.

I also think there is something more to DD dying not quite sure what but it is there and i loved the part about the centuers and the merpeople coming to pay there respect .

I also think that ron and hermione and harry are not going to let malfoy go unpunished but i think that voldermort is going to punish draco for not completing the task that he was set.

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2005, 08:39:15 AM »

Now I remember the other similarity I saw with LOTR. Harry obviously wants revenge. Obviously Voldemort for killing his parents, and then Beatrix for kiling Sirius and now Snape (I'm sure he wouldn't mind Malfoy out of the way either). But is Harry capable of killing anyone? As I believe Snape said "you have to mean it". I'm thinking of LOTR and Bilbo and then Frodo both showing pity on and not killing Gollum and how Frodo not killing helped him resist the ring. Similarities in Star Wars also...killing can lead to the dark side.
So how is Harry going to deal with this??
Book 7 must end, or almost end, with the final battle between Harry and Voldemort, and (I hope) Harry winning.
And I agree that Dumbledore's part hasn't finished yet...
I'm expecting Neville to play a large role in the final book.
And of course, who is RAB?Huh I honestly can't think of any guesses but it seems rather important.  Huh
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2005, 12:52:11 PM »

I wonder if the order of the phoenix can still use harry's house now that the secret keeper is dead and that snape knows about the place.
Grimmauld Place just has to be the center of activities in Book 7, that's going to have to be where Harry is living and working out of. He can visit Godric Hollow, but he's not going to _live_ there.

I also think there is something more to DD dying not quite sure what but it is there and i loved the part about the centuers and the merpeople coming to pay there respect .
I think you'll see some more out of _two_ Dumbledores. Brother Aberforth (though unnamed) kept popping up, what, three or four times in Book 6?

I also think that ron and hermione and harry are not going to let malfoy go unpunished but i think that voldermort is going to punish draco for not completing the task that he was set.
I don't think we've seen the last of Narcissa, so I think the fear Draco has to protect his family will be used again. I expect he won't be having any more fun than Wormtail.

I predict that there are two other characters besides Voldemort who have been 'saved' with horacruxes. I'm hoping for three, because Harry could use some of Sirius' advice in the final battle, but I'll probably be disappointed.

And we might not have seen all of the brothers-and-sisters connections. Just in and about the Hollow, Percy's being set up for a major role, Ginny has some immunity from COS and will probably win a battle, and we haven't explored the new side of Bill ...


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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2005, 03:18:46 PM »

Dumbledores patronus is a Phoenix, which is why I thought we saw it. Its some representaion of the person maybe a preprestation of thier soul. But then aren'r Phoenixs immortal....
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2005, 03:38:08 PM »

Sorry to double post but I forgot a very important point. How is Harry going to kill Voldemort? I really don't think he could kill someone even him. Hero's don't kill. How's she going to get around that one  Undecided
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2005, 05:11:41 PM »

I think we are on the wrong track with Dumbledore using Horcruxes. As Ben pointed out, you need to kill to make one. And from the way Dumbledore was describing them to Harry, it didn't seem like he would use that sort of magic, which I daresay is a very Dark form of magic.

And what are these 'powers' that McG described in Philosophers Stone that DD was 'too noble to use them'?

My conspiracy theory - it was Aberforth and not Dumbledore who died Undecided

I am sure another big character will die Cry we get at least 2 years to prepare for the next, this one was bad enough and I still hadn't gotten over Sirius - this will take even longer CryCryCryCryCry
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2005, 07:45:15 PM »

The Leaky Cauldron is reporting that ITV broadcasted the JK interview done by its contest winner.  Among the highlights:

Ravenclaw will have their day.

Wormtail will not kill Lupin.

Starting tomorrow, TLC will begin posting the interview conducted by one of its editors, which will have a lot more info. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2005, 09:42:03 PM »

Ow just found an interesting quote

"There’s an important kind of redemptive pattern to Snape
JKR: He, um, there’s so much I wish I could say to you, and I can’t because it would ruin. I promise you, whoever asked that question, can I just say to you that I’m slightly stunned that you’ve said that and you’ll find out why I’m so stunned if you read Book 7. That’s all I’m going to say."

From J.K. Rowling interview transcript, The Connection (WBUR Radio), 12 October, 1999
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2005, 01:07:49 AM »

The Leaky Cauldron is reporting that ITV broadcasted the JK interview done by its contest winner.  Among the highlights:

Ravenclaw will have their day.
Oh good. I didn't like the "hint" that the Gryffindor-Ravenclaw horacrux had to be the G-sword, since I didn't see any opportunity for Riddle to get his hands on it when he visited. Jo did hit us over the head with DD saying "you'll understand why he visited after we see the final memory" ... so it seems we're supposed to know that the unidentified item was related to that visit.

Wormtail will not kill Lupin.

Great, I was happy to see Fenris to show up so that we would have a different use for the silver hand.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2005, 04:53:59 AM »

I want to know what Dumbledore saw when he was drinking the green liquid in the cave.  He seemed like he was trying to protect students in his vision.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2005, 09:59:02 AM »

I've been very worried by the fact Harry isn't going back to Hogwarts (even if its open). And now I am even more worried. When asked before if there would be any more books after book seven JK said probably not but never say never. Now in a Time intervew she says;

On writing the Harry Potter books:

Rowling is about to say goodbye to a very good friend: Half-Blood Prince is book six of a planned seven, and then that's all she wrote. "I'll be so sad to think I'll never write a Harry-Ron-Hermione sentence again," she says. But her feelings aren't entirely unmixed. "Part of me will be glad when it's over. Family life will become more normal. It will be a chance to write other things."


I'm really worried Harry's going to snuff it in book 7 Cry
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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2005, 10:45:53 AM »

OK this is an idea which is really really scaring me and will mean Harry has to die. But what if he is the last Horncux
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2005, 10:50:27 AM »

Thats what I thought too... Voldemort described himself to Harry and the DEs at the end of GoF as being 'ripped from limb to limb' (something like that) when he tried to kill Harry. Maybe he accidentely left a bit of his soul behind in this process and that is why Harry has such a knack for powerful bits of magic and a talent for Dark magic when he attempts it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2005, 10:55:45 AM »

And he had killed Harry's parents so theres your killing. Oh my god I so do not want that to be true as Harry WILL have to kill himself.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2005, 11:05:34 AM »

Actually here's a tought which I hope and pray will stop me worrying myself sick. Praying If Harry was the last HC would Voldemort really keep trying to kill him? PLEASE LET THIS MEAN THAT IT ISN'T SO! Praying
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2005, 12:41:27 PM »

Wild theory time  Grin

Firstly I think Dumbledore was a  horacrux, not Harry or the sword.  I think Dumbledore suspected he had been used all along but that his memory had been altered.  When he finally confirmed that Voldemort had split his soul he realised this and knew that he would have to die, in order to save Harry, at some point.

This is where the 'good' Snape comes into it, because I think he is good.  Snape took the unbreakable vow in order to find out about the plot (although this didn't work as neither Bellatrix, Narcissa or Draco would tell him). But he was willing to risk his life to find out.  When he told Dumbeldore about the vow I believe Dumbledore made Snape promise to keep his vow, no matter what the consequences.  This way Dumbeldore saved Draco and Snapes life.  When Dumbedore begged Snape at the end I think this was to keep his promise, not to spare his life.  Remember the arguement in the forest?  Once Snape realised what he had to do he wanted to back out but, just like Harry, Dumbeldore held Snape to his word.

I think this is why Snape got so angry with Harry calling him a coward; he had just had to do the hardest thing in his life, kill Dumbeldore. 

One puzzelling thing that I can't work out - Dumbledore knew the DADA teaching post was cursed so why give it to someone he obviously liked?  Curious

I don't think Dumbledore created a  horacrux.  Not because I don't think he ever killed anyone, I think in his time Dumbeldore killed plenty of people (albeit bad ones).  But he didn't believe life was worth living in this way.  If he had wanted imortality he could have used the Philophosers Stone.  He had access and didn't mind being dependant on other.

Anyway this is the first of, I am sure, many wild guesses  Grin
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