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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2005, 01:19:53 PM »

Actually here's a tought which I hope and pray will stop me worrying myself sick. Praying If Harry was the last HC would Voldemort really keep trying to kill him? PLEASE LET THIS MEAN THAT IT ISN'T SO! Praying

Maybe Voldemort doesn't knw that he did it - perhaps he had not made 7 yet and intended to after killing the Potters.
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2005, 01:40:53 PM »

Maybe the more I think about it the more it makes sense though. Harrys powers parceltonge the connection last year. I just hope he can get rid of it wthout killing himself. Thinking about it they manged to kill the HC in the diary and the ring without destorying them completely. And if you have two souls and get hit by an AK do both die or only one? I really want him to live.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2005, 02:00:29 PM »


I think this is why Snape got so angry with Harry calling him a coward; he had just had to do the hardest thing in his life, kill Dumbeldore. 

One puzzelling thing that I can't work out - Dumbledore knew the DADA teaching post was cursed so why give it to someone he obviously liked?  Curious

I agree as I've actually had the same thoughts on the first. I was rereading part of that chapter and that really struck me. Snape was really angry that Harry called him a coward. Sure he would be insulted no matter what side he was on, but if he had no choice but to kill Dumbledore, being called a coward would be almost unbearable. Hard to hear and not be able to tell Harry the truth (assuming he was acting on orders from Dumbledore). Hmm...I'm prepared to believe that Snape is a bad guy, but there are certainly clues such as this that suggest things might not be so black and white.

As for the DADA position, well, Dumbledore needed to have someone other than Snape teaching potions so that Harry could take it. Having Snape take the DADA position only made sense then, and its not like Snape didn't want it. Harry needed to be able to take potions and he also needed to get a hold of the HBP's potion book. Why? Unclear. I don't think we will really know the significance of the book, Harry using it and Snape being the HBP until book 7.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2005, 02:23:37 PM »

Do you think this was a DD cunning plan then?  To make Harry believe he wasn't taking Potions so he didn't buy any books.  Then making sure Horace, an old friend, just happened to give Harry Snapes old book.  Why would DD want Harry to take potions so desperately?  He could have forced Snape to accept Harry.

Ooooo I hadn't thought of any of this  Grin   
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2005, 06:42:00 PM »

What I hope will happen Smiley

Dumbledore will find someway of overcoming his predicament (!)  Of course, he can still direct Harry from his portrait in his office but if Harry won't be there it won't do him a lot of good.

Harry will find a way of regenerating his mother and father and Sirius.  Time-turner perhaps?

Severus Snape will make good his boast of being able to 'put a stopper in death' (PS) with regard to Dumbledore.

Lupin and Tonks will marry after Lupin has seen off Fenrir with the help of Wormtail and his silver hand (maybe).

Malfoy will eat dirt permanent.

Griffindor, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw will combine forces with Harry against Voldemort and Slitherin and clean up the planet permanently.

Voldemort will get wopped without anyone else getting hurt.

Ron and Hermione will be a serious item and will risk life and limb to save Harry.  They will name their first child Harry Potter Weasley.

Harry and Ginny will 'ride off into the sunset' at the end.



What I think will happen:

Dumbledore has gone for good.

The only way Harry can meet his parents is to go where they are since Jo has made it abundantly clear Lily and James can't come to were he is, therefore Harry will die.  That way he can meet up with Sirius too so everyone but Ron, Hermione and Ginny will be happy, unless they cop it too in which case everybody (well, nearly everybody including me) will be happy.

Draco will die mostly because he's a coward and nobody but Pansy Parkinson and his mother like him.  His father doesn't seem that keen.  This does, however, make a big hole in another of my theories as Harry will also have to put up with him for Eternity as well.  Unless, of course, there is a Wizard Heaven and Hell but perhaps that is a bit heavy for a Harry Potter novel.  Still, anyone who can invent Quiddich should be able to figure that one out.

Lucius will reappear and die doing something horrible.

I can't decide yet which side Snape is on.  I tend toward the 'good guy' side.  Whatever, his role will be pivotal. He owes Sirius a favour anyway (saving his life from a rampant Lupin - don't know if that cancels out James being a prat).  He might save Harry for Lily's sake - she defended him publicly against James in the pensieve.  Also, he made the correct concoction for Lupin at the full moon and swapped the Veritaserum for something else for Harry in OOTP.  I also agree that pleading is not Dumbledore's MO with regards to his own death - he is far more likely to plead on someone else's behalf.  As Harry is the 'light of his life', I would guess it would be him.

Further to the above paragraph, Snape will save Harry at the risk of his own life.

Whatever else happens, one thing is clear - there will be an EX-VOLDEMORT!!!!   If not, Jo can always write another series beginning 'The Heir of Voldemort and the ....' then everyone will be happy (with the possible exception of Harry).





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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2005, 01:54:07 PM »

Here's a though...

What if Snapes Boggart is his father! And it seems his dad was a muggle so why the arugment in OoTP in his memory why didn;t she just turn him into a frog. I might have remembered it wrong.
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2005, 03:30:18 PM »

I love Sharon's theory that Snape killed DD on DD's orders and that he is still good.  he did so much good in the past that it doesn't all add up. I want him to be good too.  And I definitely think DD knwe he was going to die.  He seemed to know everything Snape and Malfoy was up to.
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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2005, 03:33:47 PM »

I hope snape is good, but I'm just not sure it sounds like JK is trying to stear us away umm I don't know. Anyonegot a new brain?
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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2005, 05:56:04 PM »

Ollivandor is still missing.  Stan Shunpike is still in Azkaban.  Well, what happened to Ollivandor?  Will Stan get out?

Also, if JK does NOT kill off Harry in the end, do you think all three characters could porribly survive?
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« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2005, 06:15:03 PM »

I think that Harry will again have a short stay at the Dursleys, then visit Godrics Hollow with both Ron and Hermione then set off for Grimauld(?) Place.

The whole story will be Harry trying to get all the Horacrux. I think he will recuret Ron and Hermione which, in the procces, causes one of them to get hurt which makes Harry go off on his own where he finds Voldemort so starts the Fianl Battle. I think Harry will get hurt in the battle, VERY Badly like lose an arm or a leg. Then Dumbledore will show up run Voldemort off and then tell Harry that Dumbledore did have a Horacrux and that is was Harry that was his Horacrux (He never said a person couldnt be one Wink )

Voldemort will die because Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Dumbledore will all team up and together their all powerfull.

I dont know what Dumbledores black hand could be. Being burned, meeting Peter or Voldemort while trying to get one of the Horacrux Undecided 
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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2005, 07:24:11 PM »

He said the hand was burned because a curse was placed upon the ring.  I think this happened when he was trying to get rid of the horcrux.

I like your theory of Dumbledore coming back because Harry was his Horcrux, but this is dark magic and is something I can't see Dumbledore doing.  I think he is probably gone for good, so that Harry would have to finish the job Dumbledore sarted on his own, which is to search for the horcruxes. Just my opinion though.
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2005, 09:16:46 PM »

To create a horcurx you have to kill don't you, so how could Dumbledore?
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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2005, 09:18:34 PM »

Sorry, sometimes I can understand what Dumbledore says, he so wise Wink LOL really, I didnt understand Roll Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2005, 09:19:44 PM »

To create a horcurx you have to kill don't you, so how could Dumbledore?

He killed that wizard on the back of his wizard card didnt he Undecided
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« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2005, 09:24:19 PM »

Did he kill Grindlewald?
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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2005, 09:24:54 PM »

He defeated  the wizard Grindlewald back in 1945 ... I don't think anything was mentioned about him killing him.
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2005, 09:27:03 PM »

I didn't think DD would kill someone, there is a connect between Grindlewald and it seems WWII wasn't it also the 40s when Voldemort started getting powerful?

It says 1943 as the death of the Riddles (although can't be taken as solid evidence as his fathers name seems wrong) however if that is the date, thats right in the middle of WWII  Undecided
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2005, 09:36:08 PM »

I think we were meant to assume that Grindlewald was Adolf Hitler and Voldie hid his 16-yr old self in that old diary from around the same period... was Voldie one of Grindlewald's followers d'you think?
They were certainly both evil enough ...
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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2005, 09:41:49 PM »

I wouldn't say Grindlewald was Hitler although if the Uk Muggle prime minister knows of the wizard minisiter maybe Hilter knew of Grindlewald and used him to his best advantage (or Grindlewald used Hilter) anyway maybe Voldemort worked as a spy for Grindlewald. I am currently studying the First and Second world wars (muggle version) I hope I don't suddenly bring Grindlewald into it I don't think I would get extra marks  Undecided
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« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2005, 09:52:41 PM »

 Roll Eyes ROFL! ... the mind boggles at the fun you could have merging muggle and wizarding worlds though Wink
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