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« Reply #280 on: April 20, 2007, 02:10:10 PM » |
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IMHO, I don't think Lily would invite Severus over for a visit, especially after he called her a mudblood and she took offense.
Not after, before.  Until Lily started leaning toward James, she was a frequent companion (I wouldn't say it was established that they were "friends") of Snape. By studying together they became two of the most talented Potions practitioners ever to graduate from Hogwarts. Because Book 6 had Lily and Severus together a lot, I speculated that it was an earlier visit to the Evans family by her studying partner, not a later visit from her to-be fiance and husband. Even if it's not true, it's the sort of thing that Jo does. She gives us just enough information to support several possibilities. Either way, I think we'll find out that there was something significant about the visit from "that horrid boy" and we'll find out in Book 7. Or, it was a little plot "hook" that Jo left dangling in an earlier book in case she decided to use it for something later. By August, we're going to start asking about the other loose ends that weren't critical to the plot of Book 7, like "what ever happened to Madame Rosmerta and Stan Shunpike?" If JKR gets bored with her next projects, she could start working on the appendices. I'm sure there's already a ten-page discussion topic about Stan over on Mugglenet. So even after the final book, I expect we will see opportunities for fan fiction.  |
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« Reply #281 on: April 29, 2007, 03:53:24 AM » |
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Ok, so I've been reading the 6th book in preparation of Deathly Hallows. A few things caught my eye: 1. Ok, so we know the fact that Lily was brilliant at Potions is important. 2. In the same chapter, Slughorn talks about the love potion, saying that is the most dangerous potion in the room. In response to some "whatever" looks from Draco and crowd, Slughorn then says that in his many years, he has found that the most dangerous thing is "obsessive love." NOTE: Now, reading on, we learn that Voldemort's mother, Merope, was obsessively in love with Tom Riddle and used a Love Potion to secure his love. In the end, it was her love for him, and his lack of love for her, that destroyed her. Again, this plays into the fact that Voldemort has never known (nor does he understand) what it is to love, and perhaps his disdain for it. 3. We know Snape was also brilliant at Potions i.e. Half-Blood Prince. Perhaps he and Lily were in the same Potions class. I know we've all thought, maybe, that Snape secretly loved Lily. NOTE: I was thinking, if Snape did love Lily, maybe it will be his love for her that will prove to be his undoing...he hates Harry, no doubt about it. I think he hates him because he reminds Snape of James. BUT, as has been said so many times, Harry has his Mother's eyes. Maybe another reason looking at Harry bothers him is that when he looks at him, he is reminded of Lily. Just some random thoughts...  I'm trying to piece the puzzle together...if it's even possible! |
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« Reply #282 on: April 29, 2007, 03:18:54 PM » |
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... BUT, as has been said so many times, Harry has his Mother's eyes. Maybe another reason looking at Harry bothers him is that when he looks at him, he is reminded of Lily.
Or maybe Harry has Lily's eyes and Snape's ears, and it's not James he's reminded of?  (I couldn't resist! Yeah, Harry looks like James in every feature except the eyes.) I'm timing my re-reading to reach a crescendo in July, and am doing Book 2 carefully because of what it foretold for Book 6. I think was established that either Lily and Severus studied potions together outside of class, or maybe they were just connected through Slughorn's club. Or maybe I'm just remembrall-ing somebody else's speculation. After all, I was convinced that there was deep meaning in the fact that "Severus Snape" is an anagram for "Perseus Evans"! |
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« Reply #285 on: May 08, 2007, 09:04:42 PM » |
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Ok, been doing some more reading and discovered something:
When reading the chapter where Dumbledore takes Harry to see his memory of first meeting Tom Riddle (young Voldemort), I noticed that Tom regarded Dumbledore much the way Harry regards Snape. Tom did not want to refer to Dumbledore as "Professor" or "Sir," but did so bitterly. Tom clearly did not trust Dumbledore, perhaps felt intimidated by him, and we know that later in life he feared and hated him. Of course, Dumbledore is good.
Harry loathes calling Snape "Sir" or "Professor;" he hates Snape; he distrusts him. Perhaps Harry will find that he could have trusted him all along.
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« Reply #286 on: May 12, 2007, 11:30:18 AM » |
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I am also wading my way through the books again (not sure if I will manage all of them by July though) and I have just reached GOF. I had forgotten how much Vernon and Petunia hate magic. Yes I know they didn't like anything out of the ordinary but this goes way beyond that. Now this is nothing new I know but it has got me thinking. I am now wondering if both Petunia and Vernon have had contact with wizards in the past. I know Vernon knows nothing of the magical world but I have a feeling that maybe he has been on the receiving end of some not so nice spells, maybe when he and Petunia were courting. There is no reason to believe the two sisters husbands never met, possibly even more of the Marauders at the Evans house. I am not sure what this all means it just came to me when I was reading yesterday  |
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« Reply #287 on: May 30, 2007, 04:08:06 PM » |
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Some of the foreign language titles have been released and translated into English. They seem to give a better meaning or explanation of "Deathly Hallows."
Swedish and Portuguese: Harry Potter and the Relics of Death
Japanese: Harry Potter and the Secret Treasure of Death
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« Reply #288 on: May 30, 2007, 06:13:49 PM » |
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hhhmmm sounds as if thry might be trying to find something.... A treasure.....  not long to go now |
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« Reply #289 on: May 31, 2007, 05:19:34 PM » |
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i just had thought and please point out if i am wrong in harry potter and the sorcerer stone at the beginning of the book mr dursley is the one that starts thinking about harry and his family do you guys think that Mrs Dursley and MrsDursley where dating at the same time as the potters and that is how he knows a little of the world and maybe something happened between the couples  ? |
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« Reply #290 on: May 31, 2007, 07:16:12 PM » |
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Well Marcia you and I are on the same wave length . I had forgotten it was Vernon who first made the connection in book one but from re-reading the other books I am sure that the young sisters and their partners would have come into contact. I know we don't know how old Lilly was when her parents died but I sort of assumed she was not very, very young ie early teens. If the Evans had died when Lilly was very young I think there would have been a mention made about Petunia raising her. So, for no good reason, I reckon the Evans died just before Lilly and James married (they are not mentioned in the wedding photo). In my mind this means that the two couples would have come into contact and I think it was that contact that made the Dursleys hate magic so much. I assumed it was because of some magical incident but it could have been something as petty as being jealous of James' wealth. |
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« Reply #291 on: May 31, 2007, 11:52:04 PM » |
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Some of the foreign language titles have been released and translated into English. They seem to give a better meaning or explanation of "Deathly Hallows."
Swedish and Portuguese: Harry Potter and the Relics of Death
Japanese: Harry Potter and the Secret Treasure of Death
Initially, I thought that Deathly Hallows meant that it will be the honored area where Harry sacrifices himself  for the sake of the wizarding world and finishes Voldemort for good. Now, I have a little more hope that Harry might live. These titles seems to suggest that there is some kind of death treasure...I wonder if it the last Horcrux that will finish Voldemort...although I think it will be much deeper than that...Oh, I'm going to be thinking on this for a while. |
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« Reply #292 on: June 01, 2007, 08:06:54 PM » |
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Bitsy have you seen the new months picture on the JKR site calender  . Have a look at what is twinkling around Slytherins neck |
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« Reply #294 on: June 26, 2007, 12:17:31 PM » |
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Okay, so it merely confirms something we were pretty sure about, especially since Harry wears it on the book covers. I bet Mundungus snitched it and Aberforth will help retrieve it, based on the scene outside the Hog's Head.
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« Reply #295 on: June 30, 2007, 01:21:43 PM » |
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TV commentator Keith Olbermann recently posted a blog where he made predictions for Book 7, and one of his biggest speculations was that Harry's scar was a horcrux, and that (in the end) Snape will show Harry how to eliminate the horcrux without killing himself, but at the cost that he would lose magical capabilities forever.
I don't agree with this conclusion but it does come close to another theory I have. I can't see the scar being a true horcrux because Voldemort didn't do any preparation in Godric's Hollow. One could have been placed when he touched the scar in the Riddle Graveyard, but then why would Voldy be trying so hard to kill Harry right after? So, well maybe there's a way to impose an unintentional horcrux where a piece of his soul entered Harry; this would fit with other plot threads. But definitely Lord V isn't aware of the fact he was trying to destroy one of his own horcruxes. And Dumbledore seemed to be pleased to find out that the parts of LV's power that were transferred to Harry were going to turn out to be helpful. Maybe the scar is one of the six pieces of Voldemort's soul, since it had a huge effect on LV when he created the scar, but it will act very differently than the regular horcruxes.
It does tie into my theory on another horcrux. I think the piece of Voldemort's soul that was contained in the Ring from the Riddle House was removed from the ring by Dumbledore, but Albus was not completely successful and the piece of soul migrated to him. It resided in his withered hand. He knew that could not be removed and that eventually it would overcome him. Snape was assisting in holding the transferred horcrux at bay, which is why Albus needed to see him first after they returned from the cave. Dumbledore knew that his time was limited and had arranged with Snape to kill him to destroy the horcrux when he reached the point where he was too weak to fight it any more. Dumbledore had to survive long enough to be sure that Harry was up to the task of carrying on after he was gone.
Here might be a rundown on the missing pieces of Voldemort's soul
1. Tom Riddle diary: horcrux, destroyed
2. Ring/Dumbledore's hand: horcrux, destroyed
3. Slytherin locket: horcrux, Harry will wear in Book 7, currently with Kreacher or Mundungus
4. Nagini: horcrux applied at death of caretaker?
5. Hufflepuff cup: horcrux, hidden in Room of Requirement?
6. Scar: unintentional horcrux or something different?
Not horcruxes: Gryffindor sword, Ravenclaw item. I can't think of any other item that has received any significant setup in the earlier books. The closest other candidate that follows a known Voldemort killing was Wormtail's hand.
It was a nice theory that Jo had set it up so that 4 of the horcruxes would be associated with each of the Hogwarts houses. Harry might qualify for the Gryffindor connection (as the "true" wielder of the sword in COS and having received the scar in Godric's Hollow). Maybe Nagini isn't one or has some sort of undocumented Ravenclaw connection. Maybe Malfoy's light-for-the-wielder hand was owned by Ravenclaw; we seem to have a nice undercurrent of hands now!
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« Reply #296 on: July 01, 2007, 10:14:25 PM » |
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My theory is that Harry/the scar is a horcrux, I think the Voldy was going to do one while killing him, but when that backfired so did the horcrux and it ended up in Harry, hence him seeing into Voldys mind.
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« Reply #297 on: July 02, 2007, 12:04:06 AM » |
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I thought so too, until I started thinking that if that's the case, Voldy is awfully stupid in not figuring out that the piece of him in Harry might be worth keeping around, instead of trying to kill the container. Okay, I guess we never did learn how somebody could retrieve one of his parts from a horcrux.
But when Harry was a baby, the idea seems definitely to kill him immediately. Is there a good chance that your horcrux will be safe in a corpse? Then I thought it could have been imposed in the Riddle Graveyard, but then killing seemed to be the plan there too. So maybe the scar is a horcrux, but it might react differently from other horcruxes. And may that be how Snape helps Harry remove the piece of Voldemort's soul and still survive?
One other thing I noted, that R.A.B. is also related to the three stages of alchemy in reverse order - Rubeus, Albus, Black. I think it's a coincidence.
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« Reply #298 on: July 02, 2007, 12:11:15 AM » |
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Here might be a rundown on the missing pieces of Voldemort's soul
1. Tom Riddle diary: horcrux, destroyed
2. Ring/Dumbledore's hand: horcrux, destroyed
3. Slytherin locket: horcrux, Harry will wear in Book 7, currently with Kreacher or Mundungus
4. Nagini: horcrux applied at death of caretaker?
5. Hufflepuff cup: horcrux, hidden in Room of Requirement?
6. Scar: unintentional horcrux or something different?
Not horcruxes: Gryffindor sword, Ravenclaw item. I can't think of any other item that has received any significant setup in the earlier books. The closest other candidate that follows a known Voldemort killing was Wormtail's hand.
I was wondering, was Moaning Myrtle the first person killed by Voldemort? and what house was she in? I don't remember. could Voldemort have used her death to create a Horcrux before he left? I wish we knew what "steps" so to speak were used to make one, i mean could he do a ritual in private then just touch something that he wanted to curse? or would he actually have to have possession of the object in order to put the HC into it? any way if he only had to touch the designated object after doing a private ritual, then it could be almost anything.... alot of help that was....
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« Reply #299 on: July 02, 2007, 07:11:07 PM » |
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wasn't moaning myrtle killed by because she looked into the eyes of the Basilisk. She says something like the last thing I saw was a pair of red eyes over there by that sink or something like that. I thought she had not been killed by voldemort
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