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« on: June 29, 2004, 09:22:10 AM »

Book 6 will be called

Harry Potter and the half blood Prince!

You can confirm this on JK's site Smiley but of course it is hidden!!
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2004, 10:51:24 AM »

Thanks a bunch  Angry

I didn't want to know that! You've ruined book 6 for me!
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2004, 10:57:51 AM »

Maybe we can sticky this thread and use it as our theories for Book 6 thread? Roz and Mark? Oooh, if you do, can we call it 'Divination studies'? Can we? Pretty please? Grin

Spoilers ahead for those who haven't (or dont want to) check out JKR's site!...



JKR says the Half blood prince is not Harry or Voldemort... I wonder who it is then. When I first read OotP I thought that they may have made a mistake with the prophecy and that Neville was really the one that they wanted. Still not sure about this, but he was my strongest candidate if Harry ended up not being the one. However, Dumbledore was pretty certain that it was Harry and not Neville that Voldemort wanted dead. He (Neville) can't be the prince because he is a pureblood. So who are our candidates?

JK says that there are some hints in CoS, so I will have to read that, go through it with a fine tooth comb and see what I can find. When Book 6 comes out I want to go 'aha!' not like PoA when I was kicking myself that I had not spotted the Scabbers-Pettigrew link - that was sooo obvious when you read the exposition at the end by Sirius and Lupin. I guess that I was reading too fast to note details - too addictive and interesting for me to be able to slowly analyse it bit by bit!

Before I go through CoS, here are my possibilities -
Dumbledore - well, we don't know anything about his family, do we? Maybe that is why Voldemort hates him so much - like V, he's a half-blood, also Lucius Malfoy and the death eaters despise him as well. maybe that is why he seems particularly attached to Harry - another half blood like him. A bit far fetched?
Dudley - *sniggers* yes, well, I realy think there is a link between Aunt Petunia to the wizarding world that JK is trying to hide. Why does she keep talking about them, little by little increasing the time they take up in the books? Why does she not just say 'Harry had yet another crappy summer at Number 4 Privet Drive?' Who knows if the 'wizarding gene' that was in Lily and slipped by Petunia may have somehow manifested itself in Dudley and is lying dormant, and as of yet undetectable?

*breathes* Lets start some heated discussion! Who do you think the 'half blood prince' is and why?
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2004, 11:23:17 AM »


Maybe we can sticky this thread and use it as our theories for Book 6 thread? Roz and Mark?


done!


JKR says the Half blood prince is not Harry or Voldemort

Where did you read that? I didn't see that on the site - once I got the page I didn't manage to ...


I wonder who it is then. When I first read OotP I thought that they may have made a mistake with the prophecy and that Neville was really the one that they wanted.


Me too and I still think Neville has some cards up his sleeve! Don't you think it's mean that Harry never sends Neville a birthday card or present? He's a nasty bully that Potter!

Harry can't be the prince because he is a pureblood.

He's 1/4 muggle... does that make him pureblood? After all, if his mother is a "mudblood" is he truely 'Malfoy style' pureblood?



JK says that there are some hints in CoS, so I will have to read that

I shall read it too - let's see what we can find!!!

Wouldn't it be INSUFFERABLE if it was Draco but I think it will be a fair bit more subtle than that!
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2004, 11:27:25 AM »

Sorry, i mean that NEVILLE can't be the prince as he is a pureblood (CoS). Harry is a half-blood with half the genes of muggle Lily and wizard James- Voldemart/Riddle says so in CoS.

If the wizarding gene can skip generations or be a recessive gene - meaning it is not displayed in the individual its present in but may be passed on to offspring (for those who don't have to study genetics at university, you lucky people Wink) then we may have traces of wizardry in Dudley (see my post above)

Roz, that was in the news section, read the last paragraph of the article

*Grins* It is strange, we never hear of Harry buying anyone anything for their birthdays, he does buy Ron and Hermione Xmas pressies in GoF, but then again he is ver generous - always buying rounds of ice cream and those omnioculars at the Quidditch world up - I guess I would be too of I had a safe stuffed with Galleons! Grin HAve you noticed that we never hear of him taking a shower/having a bath either? Ewww!
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2004, 11:35:39 AM »

No, much as I want it to be Neville, I know it can't be  Undecided

He did take a bath once in the prefects room... once in 5 years... niiiiice!

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2004, 11:40:56 AM »

Ahhh, yes thats right - and also the swim in the lake afterwards, i guess Grin

Can we call this thread 'Divination studies'? Or 'Unfogging the Future'? I perfer the first. What do you think?
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2004, 12:01:29 PM »

Ick Gillyweed!

Apparently Dan Radcliff has been taking diving lessons for book 4 Smiley

Anyway I have left in the book 6 spoiler in the title - we don't want to upset people!!!
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2004, 12:04:00 PM »

Cheers Roz, you rock! Grin

Let the theorising begin!
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2004, 12:09:38 PM »

No problem

*Roz's mind starts working overtime to devise a scheme where she can leave early and go and read C of S*
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2004, 12:13:41 PM »

Time turner! I saw one of those on sale on ebay going for a small bomb - no wonder, I wonder what I'd do with it if I had one, handy little thing it is! Grin
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2004, 12:44:57 PM »

Here's an idea - what about Seamus?
'Me dad's a muggle. mam's a witch. He got a bit of a shock when she told him' (from Philosophers Stone)

Am going to read CoS again and write down every character and reference to them in the book... see if I can get to the bottom of this. But then again, JKR doesn't say the prince is menationed by name. And she also says OoTP may hold a few clues. Now analysing CoS is one thing - OoTP is quite another. For one thing its over twice as long. Oh dear  
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2004, 02:21:53 PM »

It's alright, you are not alone. I will help Smiley

But I'll start with C of S first!

Ben's just read OOTP so it might be fresh in his head too!
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2004, 05:29:36 PM »

FTY - are you still awake? How many hours behind GMT are you guys? Almost 12? Is it 6 in the morning there? Surely not! You were online not long ago!

What about Justin Flinch Fletchly! (sp)

In the chamber of secrets we know he is not pure blood - but is he a mudblood fully? He had been "down for Eton" a school where Princes William and Harry went... ?? Or is that just too obvious?

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2004, 11:03:33 PM »

From Mugglenet

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Random facts about the book
The sixth book is yet to be titled, and don't believe anything otherwise.
By the ends of books 6 and 7 "you'll have all the back story you'll need", says JK Rowling, and a prequel will not be necessary
There will be a new Minister of Magic, no more Mr. Fudge.
We will find out what happened to Hagrid's half brother Grawp. He will be a bit more controllable in book 6.
The Dursleys are in the next book, but Harry's stay with them will be the shortest yet. In book 5 he stayed for 4 weeks, so we know his stay will be less than 4 weeks.
Cho Chang will not be a romantic interest of Harry in Book 6, however there will be a "little romance" for Harry says JK.
In books 6 and 7 we will find out exactly why JK killed off Sirius.
Harry becomes even more powerful in book 6.
In books 6 and 7 we will find out why Dumbledore trusts Snape.
We will find out what happened to Wormtail AKA Peter Pettigrew
More about the animosity between Snape and Sirius will be revealed in the last 2 books.
JK has said that giving away the form of Snape's boggart and patronus says too much. We'll definitely find out what Snape's worst fear is, and it'll be important.
Hermione and Draco will NOT end up together in book 6 or 7.
We will find out what exactly Dudley saw when he looked at the dementors.
The reason Voldemort and Harry both didn't die when Voldemort tried to kill Harry, will be revealed.
We will see more of Draco's mother, Narcissa Malfoy, now that Lucius is busy.
We'll learn more about Harry's scar in the last 2 books.
Moaning Myrtle will make an appearance again, as will Tonks.
More about Voldemort's birth will be revealed, thus helping us understand why he is so evil.
Muggles begin to notice "more and more odd" occurrences in book 6, says JK.
The wizarding world is really at war in the sixth book.
Harry will tell his dearest friends about the prophesy after it sinks in to him.
We will learn more about Harry's relatives, including his grandparents (though JK says they aren't really important to the story)
We will find out what happened to Sirius's motorbike.
Book 6 will be shorter than the 5th book (or at least JK's 99% sure, but will not swear on her children's lives)
There will be no "new" nationalities of children at Hogwarts. Hogwarts is a British school, and JK says that adding foreigners for the sake of it is not in her plans.
During an interview, when JKR was asked in which Hogwarts room she'd like to be for 1 hour, she said it would be a room in which Harry has been before, but doesn't know its importance. Yet. (this could have happened in book 5, but we're unsure)
The room of requirement anyone?
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It's very important in the plot that Harry has his mother's eyes, and that her wand was very good for charms.


Order of the Phoenix UK/Bloomsbury edition page 39

Harry is in the kitchen after he and Dudley face Dementors in Little Whinging - Harry explains that Lord Voldermort is back - they know Voldermort as it must have been explained in the letter Dumbledore left the night he left Harry with the Dursleys

"Back? Whispered Aunt Petunia.
She was looking at Harry as she had never looked at him before, and all of a sudden for the vety first time in his life, Harry fully appreciated that Aunt Petunia was his mother's sister. He coule not have said why this hit him so very powerfully at this moment. All he knew was that he was not the only person in the room who had an inkling of what Lord Voldermort being back might mean. Aunt Petunia had never in her life looked at him like that before. Her large, pale, eyes (so unlike her sister's) were not narrowed in dislike or anger, they were wide and fearful. The furious pretence that Aunt Petunia had maintained all Harr's life - that there was no magic and no world other than the world she inhabited with Uncle Vernon - seemed to have fallen away"

I think that paragraph is of great importance Petunia has a LOT of secrets up her sleeve/

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During an interview for Kids BBC, Victor Greensteet (reporter) asked Rowling if Harry would have a dragon for a pet. This is what she replied: "You can't tame a dragon, no matter what Hagrid thinks. It's simply impossible. So no. He has more common sense. He MAY have a different pet in the future, but for now, I won't say anything else". (This could have been buckbeak, but I'm sure we can expect more pets)
In the same interview for Kids BBC, the reporter asked J. K. if Harry had ever used the internet, and this is what she had to say: "No. They (the Dursleys) won't let him go near Dudley's computer, and Dudley is the only one who has a computer. They hit him if he gets too near to the keyboard. So the answer would be No. I use it a lot, but Harry doesn't. Wizards don't really need to go on the web. They have an even better way to find out what's happening in the outside world, which I think is a lot more fun than the Internet, but I'm going to keep quiet on this one."
The choice between what's right and what's easy will be a pillar of the plot in Harry's last 2 years at Hogwarts
Harry's parents' profession will be a big part of the plot.
Something HUGE will be revealed about Lily Potter.

Ooh I can't wait - I wonder what???

This is interesting
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"Why did voldemort pick harry and not neville
JK Rowling replies -> Dumbledore explains this in 'Order of the Phoenix'. Voldemort identified more with the half-blood boy and therefore decided he must be the greater risk. "


So JK counts Harry as half blood! Makes sense his mother was Muggley

as is this:

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Siriusstar: Is Remus a pureblood?
JK Rowling replies -> Half blood.

but he's not in chamber so it's probably not him
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2004, 12:31:08 AM »

Mugglenet is the BEST site for keeping up to date with HP news - I'd be surprised if JK does not award it one of her best fan sites some day.

Roz, we are 9 hours ahead of you guys in the UK
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2004, 02:14:12 AM »

I hate this i really want to keep up to date but i can't  Cry I want to be at home with a P.C and not with a football and stuck with my brother constantly driving around doing nothing  Cry ... It'll go quick..keep telling myself that...thats the key..breathe  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2004, 04:12:53 AM »

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JK Rowling replies -> Half blood.

but he's not in chamber so it's probably not him
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Then again, JKR did not say that the Prince was mentioned by name... Lupin hey, interesting idea. Just finished exams - yay! So I am off to get some lunch and will ponder CoS
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2004, 08:49:04 AM »

 Grin Good work FTY!

Enjoy the peace and quiet of that after exam lul

 Grin

FTY you do realise that you have totally ignored my suggestion of Justin... do you think it's too obvious?
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2004, 09:31:29 AM »

Sorry Roz  Wink

Justin - hmmm... but in CoS he was attacked because he was a mudblood - who knows though? How did Tom Riddle/Voldemort know who was pureblood who was half blood and who was a mudblood? Is there a way you can tell? It can't be Dean Thomas either then as he has muggle parents (OotP). Who else do we know... so many!

Maybe the title is decieving - maybe the 'half-blood' does not refer to hereditary blood that we are used to hearing about but something else? Can't think what, but its an idea. I mean, with the other titles (before the books were released obviously) we had no idea what they referred to. This title seems too straight forward. Or maybe JK has gotten us so used to her unexpected twists that we are over-suspicious Smiley

Oh BTW, the 'do not disturb' sign is back on the door on JKR's site - so possible Book 6 info soon! Can't wait! Grin
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