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« on: February 18, 2009, 07:29:43 PM »

Hi All,

I would like to get started and collect some harry potter Artbox cards, can someone explain how i go about starting. I know you can buy individual cards of ebay but i do not understand when people talk about boxes and pulls.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 09:58:00 PM »

Most sets are released as cases, with distributors and die-hard collectors purchasing sealed cases.  A case usually contains eight, 10, or even 12 boxes.  Boxes generally have 24 or 36 packs of cards.  Harry Potter cases have 10 boxes and each box has 24 packs.  There are hobby boxes (which have the auto, costume, and prop cards) and retail boxes (which might have an insert, but often don't).  Both types of boxes usually have lower-level chase cards, like foils, puzzle cards, and the like.

Pulls are the inserts (autos, costumes, and props) that are in packs in a box.  Most Harry Potter boxes have two of these premium inserts, but not all.  If you look through the box/case breakdown threads for each release, you can see which sets did not have two inserts per box.  Please keep in mind that there can be packing errors at the printing plant and some Potter releases have been plagued with "dud" boxes -- boxes that have no inserts.  POAU (Prisoner of Azkaban Update) was such a set.  There's not much worse in terms of cards than paying for a hobby box and not pulling an insert.

You can contact dealers and search on eBay for sealed boxes of any HP release.  (Just make sure the box you buy is sealed, or it could have been searched by the seller and had the packs with inserts removed.)  Boxes of older releases can be hard to find and, therefore, expensive.  There are two new HP sets coming out, so these should be relatively easy to pre-order.  The first is Memorable Moments 2, supposedly due in April, and Half-Blood Prince (HBP), which should be released in June or July to coincide with the release of the movie.  You could contact some dealers and check out prices, keeping in mind that since you're in the UK, if you order from a US distributor or dealer, you will very likely get hit with customs charges.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 10:27:11 PM »

Haven't gotten around to posting it on my website yet, but I've come up with a sort of glossary of terms for the new collector.  Some are for older cards and won't be applicable to Harry Potter cards, but it gives you some background

Card Collecting Terms for the New Collector

Autographed card - card signed by an actor or artist and randomly inserted into packs. The same value does not apply to cards autographed at shows.

Box - Box that hold packs of cards.  Usually referred to as 'sealed' when new.  Manufacturers usually have a printed plastic overwrap that 'seals' the box when new.

Case - holds as many display boxes as manufacturer packs into it. Most cases contain 8 to 24 boxes.

Case Card - A card that is inserted into the master case of boxes, thus there is only 1 card per case.

Cel - Color images printed on mylar or acetate film which suggests animation.

Cello pack - a wrapper made of cellophane, either plain or with a picture on it, with crimped edges and having cards or stickers inside.

Chase cards - do not come in every pack, or even in every box, but are randomly inserted. Can be holograms, prisms, autographed cards or any special card. Also called insert cards. Chase cards are normally defined by their insert ratio, 1 card per 10 packs or 1:10 ratio.

Common - a term used mostly in baseball card collecting to denote the difference between a "star" card and a card having no special value. Sometimes used to refer to single non-sport cards.

Costume Card - A card which contains a piece of costume material.  Also called memorabilia cards and Pieceworks cards.

Double - after one of each card or sticker is set aside to make a set, the leftovers are called doubles.

Dumping - the practice of selling off product for a fraction of the original cost -sometimes by manufacturers and sometimes by dealers.

Embossed foil card - has a raised image printed on foil.

Error - a card or sticker which is changed due to a mistake on the original printing.

Full-bleed - indicates the picture is not surrounded by borders and completely goes to the card edges.

Hologram - a specialty card in which the design becomes three-dimensional when the card is moved (or sometimes when you move your eyes).

Holithogram - a combination of a foil-printed card and a hologram.

Inserts - other than the numbered or unnumbered items that make up the regular portion of the set. This term encompasses holograms, specialty cards, chromium cards, and all other types of cards you don't find in every pack. Also called a chase card.

Lenticular - a 3-D lens on the card produces different images with motion.  Also called a SkyMotion card.  Can also be used to give the image a 3D effect without using special glasses.

Master Set - A complete set of all cards available for a particular set including chase cards, costume cards, autographs, case cards, and promos.  Definitions vary, be sure to know what cards your dealer has in his "master set."

Mini-Master Set - A set of all low-level chase cards (i.e. not autographs or costumes).  Definitions vary, be sure to know what cards your dealer has in his "mini-master set."

Medallion card - a specialty card which has art different from other cards in the set on the front and a graphic of a medallion on the back. This is a randomly-inserted card.

Metallic Storm - a specialty card which is similar to a spectra card but a special printing process allows for the stamping of various (rather than specific) areas.

Mint - A determination of the condition of a card.  Nice sharp corners and smooth edges with no bends or scratches is a mint card.

Model-imaging hologram - a model rather than line art is used to form the print image, in order to provide a deeper three dimensional effect.

Multi-image hologram - more than one image may be viewed when the card is moved (or sometimes when you move your eyes).

Oversized card - larger than the average 2-1/2" x 3-1/2" card.

Pack - a wrapper with cards or stickers inside.

Pop-Up card - image becomes three-dimensional when a tab is pulled.

Premium - A card that comes with another product like a DVD set or action figure.

Prism - specialty card containing a design which refracts light.

Promo Card - A card made specifically to promote a product or card set.

Redemption card - a randomly-inserted card which can be redeemed for a specific item such as an autographed card, painting or gold card.

Reprint - something which was previously printed that is printed again. It may be an old set done by a different manufacturer or a current set for which not enough were printed the first time. Reprints rarely have much value.

Set - all of the numbers, or if unnumbered, all of the different pictures for a specific title. A set generally includes no chase cards.

Single - Normally a card which is purchased separately from a set.  You buy or trade singles to complete chase sets.

Spectra card - has a foil background which seems to reflect and project a continuous sense of colors.

Stickers - usually have a paper backing which can be removed leaving a sticky portion.

Unopened box - display box with all of the packs in it just as it came from the manufacturer.  Also called Sealed Box.

Unopened pack - a wrapper with cards or stickers inside just as it came from the manufacturer.

Variation - a card or sticker with more than one picture, title or story line appearing on the same number.  May also refer to a costume card that has a swatch that varies from the more common color or material.

Wax pack - a wrapper with a waxy finish having cards or stickers inside.

Wiggle cards - picture changes when you move the card back and forth.  See Lenticular Card.

Wrapper - the covering from the cards or stickers.


Hope that helps a little

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 03:56:03 PM »

So are you just buying boxes of trading cards and hoping they will be special ones inside. (I mean are they different from the ones being sold in my local shop or do they need to be bought online.

Also do i make sure the box has the "Artbox" logo on it

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Tom

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Are these the sort of things?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARRY-POTTER-EMPTY-CARD-ALBUM-17-PKTS-SEALED-CARDS_W0QQitemZ350104714093QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_TradingCards_RL?hash=item350104714093&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1684|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2009, 04:27:18 PM »

So are you just buying boxes of trading cards and hoping they will be special ones inside.

Basically, yes.  You won't know what's inside the box until you open it.  You could pull a couple of high-numbered, common inserts that sell for $10 or less on eBay, a rare or variant insert, or anything in between.  It's a lot like gambling.

You'll need to do some research before buying a box.  If you want the chance to pull inserts, you'll have to make sure you're buying a hobby box.  They are more expensive than retail boxes, but you can spot them by reading the info on the box -- it'll state whether there are autos, costumes and props inside.  If in doubt, always ask the shop owner or eBay seller if the box is a hobby box.  The link you posted is for retail packs of POA that were produced by Cards Inc. (they had permission from Artbox).  Those packs have only base and foil cards.  Artbox also produced its own retail version of the set, again without inserts.  The hobby boxes for POA are very expensive because only 5000 were produced and it was the first HP set with inserts.  They're quite scarce now.

Another company, Wizards of the Coast, produced a Sorcerer's Stone set before Artbox got the license.  It has only a base set.

My guess is that the lowest box prices you'll find are with the two upcoming releases.  You could try pre-ordering a box or two and see how it goes.  You can also check with local shops and online to see if there are decent prices for previous releases.

It's a lot of fun to open boxes, but it's been my experience that in financial terms, people are better off buying the individual cards they want.  I've spent $55 plus shipping for a box that contained less than $25 worth of cards, while others have pulled a Dan auto or variant prop from a box.  Of course, if you don't buy a box, you have no chance of pulling that Dan auto. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2009, 08:13:53 PM »

When the artbox website goes back online, will i be able to order boxes from there?
If not apart from ebay can you reccomend anywhere?
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2009, 08:29:25 PM »

Artbox sells only to distributors, so you can't buy directly from them.  There are a number of good dealers in the US, including Tom Breyer/Tomunique, Scifi Cards (who replied earlier in this thread), Julio's Nonsport Cards, and Potomac.  You'll need to talk to them about cost and delivery time for shipment to the UK, plus you'll be responsible for VAT if your local post office decides to charge you for it.  Some of our UK members should be able to recommend dealers in the UK, as well.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 12:39:48 PM »

I am ashamed to admit that i only know of one online dealer here in the UK that sells Harry Potter selaed hobby boxes and that is collectorzone. They also sell on ebay but when i enquired if they were going to list any more sealed boxes they said that they listed the last box they had a few weeks ago. Whenever i google for trading card dealers there are never many from the UK. At least not for Harry Potter anyway.
The majority are from the US. The best ones are probably the ones that kbmum has already mentioned here.
Ebay is my normal port of call but it's not a happy place for sealed boxes or cases at the moment. I don't know about individual cards but lately i have noticed that no sellers in the UK have sealed boxes or cases for sale whereas 6 months to a year ago there were loads of boxes and some cases.
The trouble is, is that sellers in the UK who have boxes and cases for sale have imported them from the US originally and with the current rate of exchange they just don't feel that it is worth their while buying.
I have often bought boxes from sellers in the US on ebay myself in the past and there are always a number of boxes and cases for sale but at the moment with the exchange rate they are working out to be a bit expensive compared to say a year ago so i haven't bought any recently.
It's probably a good thing anyway as i'm trying to save my money for a MM2 case or a HBP case. Grin
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